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Want to be a parent?/The Death Penalty
Topic Started: Jan 25 2010, 06:45 PM (412 Views)
zeromus	Jan 25 2010, 06:45 PM Post #1
Admin Posts: 1,584 Group: Manly Members Member #58 Joined: January 21, 2009	Hopefully your kid doesn't do this to you... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/25/john-caudle-14-admits-to_n_436007.html



Fairy Fabulous	Jan 25 2010, 06:56 PM Post #2
The Picture Whore Posts: 827 Group: Advisor Member #7 Joined: December 31, 2004	Well... He deserves the death penalty, as long as he admitting to it, and is found to be not legally insane, his age should be no reason NOT to push the death penalty on him.
	Sheldon: I am aware of the way humans usually reproduce which is messy, unsanitary and based on living next to you for three years, involves loud and unnecessary appeals to a deity. Penny: Oh, God. *Sheldon: Yes, exactly. <<<<<<Tis Lyfe! Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch. -Sheldon*


zeromus	Jan 25 2010, 06:59 PM Post #3
Admin Posts: 1,584 Group: Manly Members Member #58 Joined: January 21, 2009	Really? So the possibility that his parents had an adverse affect on his upbringing and likely contributed to his state shouldn't be considered at all? We should just go Texan? What this kid needs isn't a lethal injection - damn, he was barely old enough to play Magic the Gathering. Why not give him a chance to recuperate at a mental hospital or asylum?



Fairy Fabulous	Jan 25 2010, 07:05 PM Post #4
The Picture Whore Posts: 827 Group: Advisor Member #7 Joined: December 31, 2004	Eh, I dunno, I could see if he like went nuts and beat his mom to death, but knowing what he did, being happy about it, and not caring... Like I said, if they find a legit mental problem, then by all means, give him a chance to redeem. If not, I think he deserves to die.
	Sheldon: I am aware of the way humans usually reproduce which is messy, unsanitary and based on living next to you for three years, involves loud and unnecessary appeals to a deity. Penny: Oh, God. *Sheldon: Yes, exactly. <<<<<<Tis Lyfe! Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch. -Sheldon*


zeromus	Jan 25 2010, 07:16 PM Post #5
Admin Posts: 1,584 Group: Manly Members Member #58 Joined: January 21, 2009	Fairy Fabulous Jan 25 2010, 07:05 PM Eh, I dunno, I could see if he like went nuts and beat his mom to death, but knowing what he did, being happy about it, and not caring... But doesn't that make it more appropriate to send him to get psychiatric help? If he regretted killing them, it would prove that this kid knew the difference between right and wrong, and was aware that he was crossing a moral threshold. On the other hand, the brutality and callousness of the crime suggests that his psyche was already (and not necessarily irreparably) twisted - and 999 times out of a thousand, a minor is going to get that mindset from his immediate surroundings.



Count Carver	Jan 25 2010, 08:11 PM Post #6
Jedi Master of Making Things Sound Dirty Posts: 2,241 Group: Admin Member #5 Joined: December 31, 2004	You know who else deserves the death penalty? Libs! Shit, we should just make the death penalty the punishment for every crime.
	-Carver?


zeromus	Jan 25 2010, 08:13 PM Post #7
Admin Posts: 1,584 Group: Manly Members Member #58 Joined: January 21, 2009	Uh oh Carver, you just swore there - you know what your punishment is! Go get grandpa's katana...



Count Carver	Jan 25 2010, 08:17 PM Post #8
Jedi Master of Making Things Sound Dirty Posts: 2,241 Group: Admin Member #5 Joined: December 31, 2004
	-Carver?


gaby_pox	Jan 26 2010, 02:40 PM Post #9
Fifth Year Posts: 565 Group: Advisor Member #15 Joined: February 11, 2005	HOLY SHIT most kids cry or scream.... Mental institution maybe?



Fairy Fabulous	Jan 26 2010, 02:42 PM Post #10
The Picture Whore Posts: 827 Group: Advisor Member #7 Joined: December 31, 2004	lol Gaby.
	Sheldon: I am aware of the way humans usually reproduce which is messy, unsanitary and based on living next to you for three years, involves loud and unnecessary appeals to a deity. Penny: Oh, God. *Sheldon: Yes, exactly. <<<<<<Tis Lyfe! Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch. -Sheldon*


Sin�ad.	Jan 26 2010, 02:53 PM Post #11
Fifth Year Posts: 548 Group: Members Member #71 Joined: December 4, 2009	I think the suggestion of the death penalty is ridiculous. Personally, I do not believe human beings are born evil, thus his upbringing must have had a huge affect on this action. So much anger towards parents, in my opinion, suggest strong neglect from their side when he was an infant and upwards- to go as far as shooting someone, especially your own parents, I would say he must have felt that they had both completely failed in their role as parents. I am not saying that this means he should get away lightly but I do think he needs to be assessed closely and watched throughout his life, probably spending most of his time in a "community prison" of things. I do not believe in the death penalty for any crime; I can't see who we are to decide on the future of something so ridiculously important. Of course, there's always the "what if they weren't guilty" situation too. Personally, I think all prisoners should, based on their sentence for their crime, he made to cycle every day for a certain period of time (based on their health, strength, etc). This should then power electricity for the local towns, haha.



zeromus	Jan 26 2010, 03:01 PM Post #12
Admin Posts: 1,584 Group: Manly Members Member #58 Joined: January 21, 2009	Sin�ad. Jan 26 2010, 02:53 PM Personally, I think all prisoners should, based on their sentence for their crime, he made to cycle every day for a certain period of time (based on their health, strength, etc). This should then power electricity for the local towns, haha. This would be a great punishment if you were living in China or the 19th century I think you and Chrissy represent two relative extremes here on the death penalty. While I don't agree with Chrissy, there are certain actions, particularly when committed by adults, that represent an instance where the perpetrator should have no reason to stay on this earth, such as high treason. Other heinous crimes like repeated juvenile rape should mandate at least a discussion on it. You are correct in saying that no one is born evil, but some people grow to the point where they are irreparably twisted.



Fairy Fabulous	Jan 26 2010, 03:03 PM Post #13
The Picture Whore Posts: 827 Group: Advisor Member #7 Joined: December 31, 2004	lol yes. mine was the extreme. I would also like to add that I stand by it. If he had no previous mental problems, drug abuse, blah blah, then this was a cold-hearted attack. But I also understand the other arguments, and also why he isn't going to be sentenced to death. Edited by Fairy Fabulous, Jan 26 2010, 03:05 PM.
	Sheldon: I am aware of the way humans usually reproduce which is messy, unsanitary and based on living next to you for three years, involves loud and unnecessary appeals to a deity. Penny: Oh, God. *Sheldon: Yes, exactly. <<<<<<Tis Lyfe! Ah, gravity - thou art a heartless bitch. -Sheldon*


Sin�ad.	Jan 26 2010, 04:22 PM Post #14
Fifth Year Posts: 548 Group: Members Member #71 Joined: December 4, 2009	zeromus Jan 26 2010, 03:01 PM Sin�ad. Jan 26 2010, 02:53 PM Personally, I think all prisoners should, based on their sentence for their crime, he made to cycle every day for a certain period of time (based on their health, strength, etc). This should then power electricity for the local towns, haha. This would be a great punishment if you were living in China or the 19th century I think you and Chrissy represent two relative extremes here on the death penalty. While I don't agree with Chrissy, there are certain actions, particularly when committed by adults, that represent an instance where the perpetrator should have no reason to stay on this earth, such as high treason. Other heinous crimes like repeated juvenile rape should mandate at least a discussion on it. You are correct in saying that no one is born evil, but some people grow to the point where they are irreparably twisted. We are not machines to be exterminated when faulty and I do believe people should have a chance to develop some kind of newfound life, even if it means they are locked up forever in a prison. Also, I'd ratehr keep these "interesting" minds alive, and study them, to try and found out more about why they did such things, thus giving more appropriate sentences, and, more importantly, preventing such things in the future through use to education to parents or medication, or whatever.



zeromus	Jan 26 2010, 05:50 PM Post #15
Admin Posts: 1,584 Group: Manly Members Member #58 Joined: January 21, 2009	Quote: We are not machines to be exterminated when faulty and I do believe people should have a chance to develop some kind of newfound life No we are not machines, but we can�t afford this sort of wishful thinking that has too often led to the loss of more innocent life. As much as you want to be idealistic about it, the brutal reality is that ever since asylums/penitentiaries/prisons were created, countless criminals have successfully convinced leading psychiatrists that they were ready to rejoin society, only to return to their deviant ways. I remember in the mid 90s, a study showed that over 2/3 of released inmates in the US were re-arrested within THREE YEARS. No doubt the people who signed their release papers had the same visions of a "reformed" man that you're suggesting. Quote: even if it means they are locked up forever in a prison �I found out how people earn respect in here, you have to beat someone or fuck them.� � inmate in a Minnesota prison, 1996 Again, your idealism has clouded your grip on the real world. Prisons, especially those that house the worst criminals - the ones who deserve the death penalty, are often nothing more than a savage breeding/training ground for a career in crime. Most criminals who have life sentences are running or part of a shadow organization - the more "fresh meat" they come across in the cells next to them, the more recruits they'll have, unwilling or not. These men, even if they weren't violent to begin with, must become feral and join a prison gang just to survive. If you gave their "bosses" the death penalty, it would not only make people feel safer, but damage the criminal hierarchy. Quote: Also, I'd ratehr keep these "interesting" minds alive, and study them, to try and found out more about why they did such things, thus giving more appropriate sentences, and, more importantly, preventing such things in the future through use to education to parents or medication, or whatever. Whenever I hear people say this, I�m reminded of a scene in the film Deep Blue Sea where a lab turns to hell after sharks that were tested upon in the name of science turned on their former captors. Now I'm not saying that a criminal is going to bite Samuel L. Jackson's arm off, but do you really think your average taxpayer is willing to fund some billion dollar penitentiary experiment just so they can study a person who'd rape them or slit their throat in a second? Or does a grieving family who lost their child to a serial rapist/murderer not deserve closure?



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